Comments on: The Deluxe D&D Starter Set http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/2009/06/the-deluxe-dd-starter-set/ Inspired 4e Design Tue, 08 Nov 2011 04:35:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: KamikazeCoPilot http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/2009/06/the-deluxe-dd-starter-set/comment-page-1/#comment-6664 KamikazeCoPilot Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:19:29 +0000 http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/?p=837#comment-6664 Sorry to rez this, but I was browsing for an idea for player tokens. I am currently running a 3.5 for my kids and this site popped up. This would be a phenomial idea with one exception...Price. The $50 is a cheap, cheap investment in to the hobby (which I have been around since AD&D), but $50 is kinda' high, DESPITE the nice-ities that come with it. I honestly see most people buying it for the extras that come with it. I know I would. The major problem you run in to is that for a digital age, TT is going away more and more quickly. And yes, people do shovel out $50, $60 and even $100+ for VIDEO games, a tabletop that is more fun for people to be able to sit around and just learn what a TT is is way too high. Keep it more basic and you'll attract more and more people. That's just my $.02. Good luck all! Sorry to rez this, but I was browsing for an idea for player tokens. I am currently running a 3.5 for my kids and this site popped up.

This would be a phenomial idea with one exception…Price. The $50 is a cheap, cheap investment in to the hobby (which I have been around since AD&D), but $50 is kinda’ high, DESPITE the nice-ities that come with it. I honestly see most people buying it for the extras that come with it. I know I would.

The major problem you run in to is that for a digital age, TT is going away more and more quickly. And yes, people do shovel out $50, $60 and even $100+ for VIDEO games, a tabletop that is more fun for people to be able to sit around and just learn what a TT is is way too high. Keep it more basic and you’ll attract more and more people. That’s just my $.02. Good luck all!

]]> By: Mike http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/2009/06/the-deluxe-dd-starter-set/comment-page-1/#comment-2136 Mike Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:11:03 +0000 http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/?p=837#comment-2136 I think its a really cool pack, but I have to ask: why would someone buy this instead of spending $50 on the core books? It seems there is a slim margin between the basic set and the core books - this would fill that margin, but if someone really got into it, they'd have to go spend another $60 - $70 on the core books anyway. What about a set that complemented the core books? Something that included laminated pregen PCs, monster tokens, PC minis, dice, condition cards, a DM screen, poster maps, and an expanded set of generic dungeon tiles along with a deluxe double-length adventure for say $30. I guess the question is why they wouldn't simply buy these things separately. One thing I'd love to see that your article brought up would be laminated character cards along with the PC minis. I'm always in need of quality pregenerated character sheets for one-shots (I'm running one in 20 minutes). Great article, a real thinker! Mike I think its a really cool pack, but I have to ask: why would someone buy this instead of spending $50 on the core books? It seems there is a slim margin between the basic set and the core books – this would fill that margin, but if someone really got into it, they’d have to go spend another $60 – $70 on the core books anyway.

What about a set that complemented the core books? Something that included laminated pregen PCs, monster tokens, PC minis, dice, condition cards, a DM screen, poster maps, and an expanded set of generic dungeon tiles along with a deluxe double-length adventure for say $30. I guess the question is why they wouldn’t simply buy these things separately.

One thing I’d love to see that your article brought up would be laminated character cards along with the PC minis. I’m always in need of quality pregenerated character sheets for one-shots (I’m running one in 20 minutes).

Great article, a real thinker!

Mike

]]> By: gamefiend http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/2009/06/the-deluxe-dd-starter-set/comment-page-1/#comment-2133 gamefiend Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:31:53 +0000 http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/?p=837#comment-2133 even with increased cost, this bundle would be a great way for a starting GM or player to manage the complexity that is an RPG. You get all the tools you need to get started in the hobby and get going. The price seems high, but people buy video games as presents all the time, which clocks in at more. even with increased cost, this bundle would be a great way for a starting GM or player to manage the complexity that is an RPG. You get all the tools you need to get started in the hobby and get going. The price seems high, but people buy video games as presents all the time, which clocks in at more.

]]> By: Stuart http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/2009/06/the-deluxe-dd-starter-set/comment-page-1/#comment-2132 Stuart Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:28:53 +0000 http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/?p=837#comment-2132 I think this is a great idea. Then again... I was the one who brought it up on Twitter. ;-D I think this is a great idea.

Then again… I was the one who brought it up on Twitter. ;-D

]]> By: Asmor http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/2009/06/the-deluxe-dd-starter-set/comment-page-1/#comment-2130 Asmor Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:58:08 +0000 http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/?p=837#comment-2130 I think that would fail as a starter set. Remember, the whole point of a starter set is to attract people who are new to the hobby, and $50 is a lot of money to risk on something as intimidating as an RPG. In fact, I dare say that the only sales a $50 starter set would get would be current roleplayers buying it for themselves for the bits (in which case marketing it as a starter set would be suboptimal) or as gifts for others (and $50 is a lot for a gift). I think that would fail as a starter set. Remember, the whole point of a starter set is to attract people who are new to the hobby, and $50 is a lot of money to risk on something as intimidating as an RPG. In fact, I dare say that the only sales a $50 starter set would get would be current roleplayers buying it for themselves for the bits (in which case marketing it as a starter set would be suboptimal) or as gifts for others (and $50 is a lot for a gift).

]]> By: milambus http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/2009/06/the-deluxe-dd-starter-set/comment-page-1/#comment-2129 milambus Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:52:17 +0000 http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/?p=837#comment-2129 @Wyatt Perhaps I'll forward a link to this article to a few of them today. @NewbieDM Feel free to pimp. I thought about posting a link to your stuff, but lost it in one of the mental re-writes I was doing around 2am =) @Bartoneus Thank you. I think the current Starter Set is great for a low cost entry point into the game. They need to keep it. Just add this Deluxe version for those looking for a bit more. @Wyatt Perhaps I’ll forward a link to this article to a few of them today.

@NewbieDM Feel free to pimp. I thought about posting a link to your stuff, but lost it in one of the mental re-writes I was doing around 2am =)

@Bartoneus Thank you. I think the current Starter Set is great for a low cost entry point into the game. They need to keep it. Just add this Deluxe version for those looking for a bit more.

]]> By: Bartoneus http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/2009/06/the-deluxe-dd-starter-set/comment-page-1/#comment-2128 Bartoneus Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:17:10 +0000 http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/?p=837#comment-2128 I think this is a really great idea! I suppose the reason it hasn't been done yet (or before in previous editions of D&D?) is because the closer the price gets to the cost of the core books the less it is viewed as a feasible "starter" product. If that's the case, I actually disagree, because of the variety presented in your set is a great resource for new DMs and would create a great experience to new players! Good job. I think this is a really great idea! I suppose the reason it hasn’t been done yet (or before in previous editions of D&D?) is because the closer the price gets to the cost of the core books the less it is viewed as a feasible “starter” product. If that’s the case, I actually disagree, because of the variety presented in your set is a great resource for new DMs and would create a great experience to new players! Good job.

]]> By: newbiedm http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/2009/06/the-deluxe-dd-starter-set/comment-page-1/#comment-2127 newbiedm Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:04:42 +0000 http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/?p=837#comment-2127 This is a good post to pimp my stuff. I created a pdf version of what you are proposing. Monster tokens, condition tokens, scaled battle maps and an initiative/battle tracker for the adventure in the back of the DMG, "Kobold Hall". http://newbiedm.com/2009/05/15/new-dm-starter-kit-now-available/ Check it out! And sorry to use your comment box to shamelesly plug my site! This is a good post to pimp my stuff. I created a pdf version of what you are proposing. Monster tokens, condition tokens, scaled battle maps and an initiative/battle tracker for the adventure in the back of the DMG, “Kobold Hall”.

http://newbiedm.com/2009/05/15/new-dm-starter-kit-now-available/

Check it out! And sorry to use your comment box to shamelesly plug my site!

]]> By: ethan http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/2009/06/the-deluxe-dd-starter-set/comment-page-1/#comment-2125 ethan Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:54:32 +0000 http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/?p=837#comment-2125 Even as a non-starter, I'd buy that just for the plethora of useful resources. Who couldn't use some official condition tokens, dungeon tiles, and a level 1 dungeon? Even as a non-starter, I’d buy that just for the plethora of useful resources. Who couldn’t use some official condition tokens, dungeon tiles, and a level 1 dungeon?

]]> By: Wyatt http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/2009/06/the-deluxe-dd-starter-set/comment-page-1/#comment-2124 Wyatt Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:52:33 +0000 http://at-will.omnivangelist.net/?p=837#comment-2124 That's an interesting proposition! You should pitch it to Wootsie, they love going on about how they listen to customers, don't they? They should take this as an invitation to take our cash. That’s an interesting proposition! You should pitch it to Wootsie, they love going on about how they listen to customers, don’t they? They should take this as an invitation to take our cash.

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